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LORETTA KEMSLEY
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Rupert Murdoch: The Internet Does Not Exist
News Type: Opinion — Seeded on Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:21 PM EST
Article Source: Arts & Living from Newseradvertisement
Rupert continues his war with the Internet. Over the weekend, he told an interviewer (the interviewer, on Sky News Australia, works for him) that as part of his campaign to charge users for reading his content, what he plans to do is to block Google from indexing his newspapers.
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{"commentId":10595630,"authorDomain":"An-uncommon-scold"}
As of a year ago, Murdoch had never used Google—never once, by himself, run an Internet search—and so it might be reasonable to assume he doesn’t know what’s involved here.
It is quite possible he doesn’t realize—and can’t fathom—that removing News Corp.’s newspapers from Google means that, in the largest part of the information market, they would cease to count, cease to be a factor, that their absence would not register as a hole.
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- 10 votes
#1 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:22 PM EST{"commentId":10596182,"authorDomain":"lalaland2013"}
So no Foxnews.com? This is the greatest idea I've ever heard! Knock yourself out, Rupey, we're with you all the way!
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- 12 votes
{"commentId":10597915,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}
Could be Mr Murdoch is playing a wholly different game, read on:
Is Murdoch's Move Against Google Really About Twitter And Facebook?
I'm a big believer in the idea that "earned media" or "earned links" are increasingly important online. That's the idea that growing numbers of people are relying on news links that are being passed to them via friends on social networks like Twitter and Facebook. It's about recognizing that more and more often news stories "find people" rather than the other way around.
That is, people are increasingly getting links from friends, acquaintances and colleagues, rather than going searching for the news. And those "earned" links or "passed links" are quite valuable because friends are more likely to trust and pay attention to what is personally sent to them, rather than what's just on the front page of a news site.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":10595808,"authorDomain":"zomzom"}
To be fair, though? If I was filthy rich, I wouldn't know the internet existed, either. When I wanted escapism, I'd fly to the Bahamas.
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- 7 votes
#2 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM EST{"commentId":10596712,"authorDomain":"sheaster"}
It's interesting to watch the powerful, older generations grapple with how to manage the technology of the younger, upcoming ones (movies vs. television, LPs vs. CDs, theatres vs. VCRs, ovens vs. microwaves, newspapers vs. the internet, etc.)
Being controlling and resistant seems a popular, if ultimately ineffective, approach.
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- 7 votes
#3 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM EST{"commentId":10597439,"authorDomain":"pele2269"}
"Being controlling and resistant seems a popular, if ultimately ineffective, approach."
Sounds like the former Commander in Chimp, George W Bush except that he was unpopular both here and abroad.
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- 6 votes
{"commentId":10602498,"authorDomain":"little-sure-shot"}
Another Bush basher forgets to take his meds.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":10605759,"authorDomain":"worldajoy"}
So says another armchair revisionist.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":10596870,"authorDomain":"redphish-1"}
What if he wants his papers (that is, his wood pulp papers) to last, well, as long as he lasts?
He is almost 80. It might be a close race.
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- 5 votes
#4 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:11 PM EST{"commentId":10597425,"authorDomain":"millerboudicca"}
I knew a man in the late 1950s who had an idea called "Subscription Television". His idea was to have things like the ballet and opera and musicals come through your telephone lines or some kind of already in place cable to your home. The movie industry combined with the Mafia to shut it down. Things move faster now. And last time I looked you don't even need a cable anymore.
Good luck. So long buggy whips.
Our company deals in information as well. it has been a hard pill to swallow, but if you don't keep you will get run over--that is just the way things go. There is no way he, will win in the end.
The other side of this does still need to be figured out. How do people get paid for the work that goes into intellectual property that they create. I mean just like everyone else they have to eat, heat their homes (or cool them) and send their kids to college. We are on the edge of a whole new information system and we here with the access I think sometimes forget that real work has gone into its creation--sometimes measured in years and not in the few seconds it takes us to access it. With all the speed that we are accustomed to, sometimes it would do us good to slow down and think a bit more.
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":10599380,"authorDomain":"kksfeather-1"}
You make some really good points. The work put into 'news' is work. It is also talent. I think proximately we will continue to seek money rewards and to rein in not only the creation of 'art' or the expression of talent by money either from keeping some from expressing that talent or to keeping people from enjoying that talent by regulating it upon 'money'.
However, ultimately I think the world is heading to the realization that money does not work and that it destroys more than it creates. Knowledge and everything else is and should be as the air we breathe- free. Air is about the only thing we currently do not have to pay money directly to use. We pay for everything else including water and land. Our motivation, are goal in life needs to change from making a bunch of money so that we can have a lot of stuff to the development and use of our talents and the healthy survival of humans as a species with the concurrent conservation, renewal and preservation of the earth. The internet shows what the inherent and priceless value the free flow of information is: increased knowledge and understanding and an extraordinary tool for awareness and change. Movies, music, etc all expressions of talent also are finding their way free to people so that all can enjy. It is though taking away the money others need to survive on. I know the proximate answer will be to keep money and control the flow of talent and information. The ultimate answer is to just let go of the need and use of money. The goal of life than becomes the nurturing of our world both artistically and environmentally.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":10607768,"authorDomain":"millerboudicca"}
The ultimate answer is to just let go of the need and use of money
this is cool with me as long as it isn't just the artists, writers and researchers who are supposed to get rid of the money. It always seems if somehow this isn't "real work" and that everyone else who does some other job--needs to get compensation other than the pleasure of others enjoyment--which while nice--doesn't pay for food or heat.
Movies, music, etc all expressions of talent also are finding their way free to people so that all can enjy.
When people see only art (movies , music, books, plays, paintings) as "free" it really limits the survival of those who really do "work" in these fields to provide this stuff. Yes it has other gratification, but I am sure so do lots of other jobs. I have one kid who is a bodyworker who also teaches anatomy and physiology at her school. It is enjoyable and the people who come to her need help, but they don't expect her to do it for that reason alone. I don't understan why it is always the artists and researchers, and such who are expected --and yes they are expected to be above money when money is what we use now as currency.
I am all for changing this--but not if it means the artists are sacrificed on the altars of nurture.
I am a ceramic artist and the things people expect me do do for free that they would never expect from the grocer or the H and R Block person, or the taxi driver or the teacher in the elementary school sometimes blow my mind. To create a really nice mural or piece of work, takes time, money and energy. It isn't just talent. Its really work.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":10611635,"authorDomain":"An-uncommon-scold"}
That's a very good point. There are many people who think the stealing of creative works is not stealing at all, that the creators are being selfish for not giving it away.
This was at the root of the music downloading that ended with the music companies suing teens and parents for hundreds of thousands of dollars so they could protect their investments. The movie industry is in the same boat, as are writers and artists.
Creative works are an asset just as much as any other asset. They are protected by intellectual property law. So why do so many think they should benefit from the hard work of others without paying? It takes years of studying to become skilled enough for others to want the creative work. Why should those years financed and worked for by a creative person not benefit that person? What other profession do we expect this from?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":10599075,"authorDomain":"bigsaf"}
Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?
O'Brien: Of course he exists.
Winston Smith: Does he exist like you or me?
O'Brien: You do not exist.
George Orwell, 1984
Thought I'd throw in a scary moment, considering the title...!
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- 5 votes
#5 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:34 PM EST{"commentId":10599843,"authorDomain":"An-uncommon-scold"}
LOL Scary indeed. It amazes me that someone in charge of a media empire can have so little understanding as to how new media works.
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- 6 votes
{"commentId":10603340,"authorDomain":"roc345"}
sounds like the documentary on the company AlCO. (American locomotive) they used to be based in Schenectady but went out of business in the 50's i think. They were still making steam engines into the 40's as opposed to gm who was using the production line to build diesel engines.the head of the company made a claim in the late 40's that he didn't see the steam engine ever being phased out. ooops.
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- 1 vote
#6 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:14 PM EST{"commentId":10605949,"authorDomain":"jewel-one"}
Is Rupert Murdoch the Warren Buffet of newspaper dealings?
Will he be around 5 years from now?
When was the last time you read a paper pulp product as opposed to jumping online for your news?
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- 1 vote
#7 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:29 PM EST{"commentId":10624330,"authorDomain":"steviethescribbler"}
The Seattle PI quit even putting OUT a physical paper; they just do everything online now.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":10626759,"authorDomain":"An-uncommon-scold"}
Interesting. I did not know that. I suspect more and more will do the same.
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{"commentId":10610861,"authorDomain":"starlighter2002"}
Guess what dear friends? I don't care what he thinks. He's very old. :-)
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