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Just say no (to awful sex) | WEEKEND | Yale Daily News

Seeded on Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:24 AM EST
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Guys at Yale are bad in bed. I know Yale has taught us to discuss issues with nuance and complexity, but I feel really comfortable with this blanket statement: Guys at Yale are bad in bed. Like, really bad. Like, I’d-laugh-if-I-weren’t-crying bad. Like, maybe-I’ll-just-eat-this-sandwich-instead bad.

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Loretta Kemsley

A big part of the problem is Yale’s hookup culture. Now, the only time I think it’s useful to lament or even talk about Yale’s “hookup culture” is when it comes to the pervasiveness of terrible sex. Fact: Hookups simply aren’t conducive to mutually pleasurable sex. Neither are Yale men. The remarkable scarcity of nice-looking, not-evil and socially adjusted straight single males (NLNESASSM) is a real issue on Yale’s campus, particularly in light of the abundance of nice-looking, not-evil and socially adjusted straight single females. Guys are rare commodities, and they are all too aware of it. This is why they get away with a lot. I don’t understand the economy, but having read the business section a few times, I have a sense of how supply and demand works. Because the demand for NLNESASSM is so high, the meager supply of NLNESASSM will always be desired, sought after and shamelessly hit on, regardless of their sexual performance or effort. Thus there is no incentive for them to improve, particularly when the whole experience will be over in a few hours and they’re not trying to date the girl, or even friend her on Facebook. Female pleasure is pushed aside. Besides, if a guy can continually get with girls without making them orgasm, why would he try? Especially when he’s tired and drunk, or the girl is faking because Durfee’s closes in 15 minutes and she wants one of those hummus-pretzel containers. Take note, females: faking further exacerbates the problem by causing men to wildly overestimate their abilities.

I must note that there are men, however few, who legitimately try to satisfy their ladyfolk. But trying is not always enough. Just because it’s cute and charitable that you put in the half-hearted effort to blow me — everyone knows that vaginas are weird and disgusting, while penises are majestic and delicious — does not mean it will feel good, or even bearable. Yet unfortunately, in real time, I probably won’t have the balls to tell you I hate it. Which is part of the problem.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:26 AM EST
robinm85

I went to a school that was like Yale. The female to male student ration was approximately 4-1.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:45 PM EST
grump in NM

All I can say regarding this issue is this: If you don't like the way he is doing it, it is clearly time for you to give the poor thing some lessons. Never expect a guy, no matter how smart he might be, to automatically know what you want or need. You might have to tell the poor guy.

I read the article, too. Maybe Yale need to offer a class or three in human sexuality. But, I am sitting here pondering the nature of private institutions of higher learning and the students whose families can afford to send them there. I have known some of these guys and, yes and unfortunately, many of them have no idea what is going on around them. This observation also applies to the women, too.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:10 PM EST
Loretta Kemsley

This article hits on several things that should be discussed. The first is the unsatisfying nature of hook ups, at least from a gal's POV. I can't speak for the guys.

The second is how clueless we are about sexual satisfaction when we are young.

The third is how hard it is for women to communicate to men what they like. And perhaps vice versa. Part of the lack of communication is because women aren't supposed to engage in sex, masturbation, etc according to a good portion of the teachings in this nation. Per the religious right, our kids aren't supposed to learn anything about sex, especially girls. How can young women tell young men what they like if they've been shamed out of finding out about their own bodies?

And part of the reason is just the fact too many of our youngsters are being forced to rely upon online porn to learn about sex. Porn is the worst place they can learn about it, and yet that's where they're learning. Porn shows women being degraded, abused and taking their supposed satisfaction from men's satisfaction. Well, how's a guy supposed to know that isn't true if he doesn't have another place to learn?

And then there's the still too prevalent idea that women are supposed to please men and never hurt their ego. How does a young woman tell a young man she cares about he's lousy in bed without hurting his ego? No matter how gentle she tries to be, she's taking a risk she's not supposed to take.

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM EST
Kozakura-1552259

The idea that men are the only ones that are supposed to enjoy sex and that women should only endure it, is still being pushed. My experience with men was limited. One virgin(like myself at that time), one experienced but incompetent, and then my husband the only man who ever brought me to orgasm and the only one who was just as concerned with my fun as his own. Honestly, I believe I hit the lottery.

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#3.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:04 PM EST
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Queenie of the castle

I ALWAYS say NO to bad sex.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:12 PM EST
Loretta Kemsley

LOL. Me too, but what about when you were young? Were you as bold then?

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:48 PM EST
The Wise Wizard

Lorretta Kemsley, Attached you will find in retrospect her own feelings on the article she wrote. She sure stirred the pot up in New Haven. The article she wrote brought the issue to the table for discussion.

    #4.2 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:31 PM EST
    Loretta Kemsley

    Thanks for the link. Here's an excerpt from the column (there's a lot more). I'm glad the column got people talking, including in class.

    • Unsurprisingly, the column got a lot of traffic on the Yale Daily News site, and has spawned a lot of discussion on campus. I contacted Yagoda herself, who broke down the reactions to her piece into five categories:

    1) Men who think it's funny. I've gotten a lot of emails from male friends who think it is hilarious, and even true.
    2) Men who are offended by it. If you look at the comments on the actual link, there are a huge amount of negative comments, and I assume these are mostly from men. Men are talking about it and think, in a lot of ways, it's unfair and puts too much pressure on male performance. I got an email from a guy who said the article was hurtful because a lot of guys are already really insecure about sexual performance, and this is going to make things so much worse now that they know girls actually talk about this stuff amongst themselves.
    3) Literally every woman at Yale is obsessed with it/finds it true. I've gotten a huge amount of random, positive responses. Women in relationships, single, and somewhere in between are resonating with it and posting it on their facebooks/twitters / etc. It's hugely gratifying!!! So many women are coming up to me and saying, Thank God you wrote that! I've been waiting for this article for so long; all of this stuff needs to be said!
    4) Classroom discussions. Apparently classes and sections are talking about my article. My friend's Russian class. Another friend's lab. A class on relationships at Slifka, Yale's Jewish cultural center. And so many more.
    5) Men who took this article as a challenge and now are shamelessly hitting on me! I went to a party on Saturday night and at least three guys came up to me and were like, "Well, you haven't had sex with me yet, so you don't know..." and then followed me around, hitting on me all night.

    • 1 vote
    #4.3 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:24 PM EST
    The Wise Wizard

    Loretta Kemsley, One of my favorite people graduated from there, keep in mind I'm bias, Jodie Foster. I also know the area a little. LOL Great seed and anytime you can get people thinking and talking. I'm guessing the world becomes a better place.

    I found #5 funny. If they didn't know her last week they do now! I wonder what Harvard and Brown will have to say about this?

    Take care.

    • 1 vote
    #4.4 - Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:54 PM EST
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    Madison From Maine

    Ahoy there!

    Well now I just happened to be married to a Yale Phi Beta and this persons reaction to the article was as follows:

    1. "What does she think the world of dating has always been about if not getting to know the person in every aspect? People usually fall in love with the entire package."

    2. "I hope she has lots of money or feminist benefactors for the remainder of her probably long life since writing that article will NOT look good on her resume in the REAL world when she graduates.

    3. "What if that article was turned upside down and a MAN wrote it about the females on campus?"

    Ayup.

      Reply#5 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:30 AM EST
      Loretta Kemsley

      If she aspires to be a writer, this article will look great on her resume. Since we don't know her aspirations, we really don't know if it will harm her future career or not.

      As to the subject of the article, while she focuses on men's skills in the first few paragraphs, she also criticizes women's part in not lousy sex further down. If you read the comments, it sparked a good discussion, which is always what an article should aspire to do.

      Articles of this type are often published about women, mostly by college men giving other college men advice on how to get more sex. I've never seen one by a college man who is instructing other college men how to care about and satisfy their partner.

      This article, Isla Vista 7 Ways to Spot the Slut, is no longer available online, but Jezebel still has a critique of it up. The Jezebel article gives a good flavor of this article written by a UCSB student and published in a student publication.

      How To Spot The Slut: A Recipe For UC Students

      Sluts - they're everywhere. But how does one find the elusive loose woman of ill repute? Ripping an entire chapter from The AskMen Guide to Douchebaggery is UCSB student Johnny Valamehr, who penned this colorful guide. Observe

      • 2 votes
      #5.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:07 AM EST
      Madison From Maine

      Some of these words they use today are so "cool and hip" that they sound like "Bushisms" to many of us from the Flintstone Age.

      Thanks for the articles; interesting reading ahead for the weekend.

      • 1 vote
      #5.2 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:16 AM EST
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      fight for freedom-2341533

      Loretta Even when a woman communicates what she like in sex many men don't listen and take it as criticism instead of encouragement. I was fortunate when I was a young woman I had several wonderful lovers who did listen and I have some sweet memories. That part of my life is past and I am good with my new direction and as my best friend is a man who respects and loves me as I respect and love him I am content. We have a good laugh from time to time about sexual adventures in our youth but we have both moved on and are comfortable with friendship. I only wish young women could enjoy true friendship with men at least that is one of the major complaints I hear from young women that they aren't satisfied with the level of respect or friendship they receive from men.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:16 AM EST
      Loretta Kemsley

      I agree. Both sexes need good friends in the opposite sex. A good friendship stands long after sexual excitement is no longer the main focus in life. I still have friends from both sexes that's I've known from grammar school. It's so easy to talk to them because we shared our life's adventures, both the good and the bad. They understand me in ways others never will (and vice versa) because they know my history.

      • 2 votes
      #6.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:50 AM EST
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      Madison From Maine

      Just thinking. Let's hope this story becomes as BIG as the name Dr. Phil - since the following will be the PERFECT question to ask ALL the Miss USA contestants, by surprise, when the program is aired in June:

      "What did you think of the now well known controversial article ............

      by Maria Yagoda and what do you think of young men and hookups and sexually in general today?"

        Reply#7 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:33 PM EST
        Madison From Maine

        Should read "Sexuality"

        The entire nation would probably be watching an entire stage of young ladies with sudden onset vertigo and sprained ankles....

        :-)

        • 2 votes
        #7.1 - Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:31 PM EST
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        Kavika

        I DID NOT attend Yale.

          Reply#8 - Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:39 PM EST
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