If you have any experience with violence at home - Maybe a parent? Maybe a sister? Maybe you? - then you pretty much know that a bouquet of tulips, shrimp scampi and cute bowling shoes aren't going to be all that helpful in this case.
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Out of Florida's 67 counties, Palm Beach ranks third in stalking arrests and - get this - third in domestic violence deaths.
Yeah, people die from this honey-you-forgot-my-birthday stuff.
It's hard to know in the Bray case, really. The couple has refused interviews and no one ever reported back if they even went to dinner, and then bowling.
No word on the flowers he was supposed to buy.
But in O'Brien's world - a world that swirls around horrid statistics bounced off unthinkable behavior - Judge Hurley and his Broward courtroom are just another reminder that she'll have another busy work day tomorrow.
And frankly, she could stand a little less job security.
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Or maybe she's perfectly terrified.
Because we all know if he does go to jail he won't be there for very long & then he will be out & even more angry than when he went in.
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Too true. And even if she's left him, he'll hunt her down to try to reclaim her -- through terror and/or death if necessary.
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Loretta, I watched for years as my sister went through DV. I have had people ask why didn't she just leave....
I have it all outlined for them:
He never hit her before they married. Once married he hit her - she came home to my parents - they allowed her to stay the weekend & then told her she married him so she needed to go home (no support from family). He controlled all the funds - she was given money to do the grocery shopping (he lo9oked at the receipt & then asked for the change back - down to the penny). In the rural area we lived in there was no Women's Shelters until 2007. Everything (cars, house, bank accounts) was in his name only. She had two children.
Finally after 32 yrs of abuse she had somehow scrimped & saved enough money to get away. Her supervisor noticed the bruises on her neck & drove her home to pack belongings & then drove her to the shelter. My brother helped with rent money for the apartment & she has finally been granted her divorce. The last time her abused her - he dragged her out of the pickup by her hair - dragged her across the yard kicking her in the ribs along the way - into the house & up against the door by her throat... the dog tried to protect her but got a beating of her own & he told my sister if the dog ever did it again he would shoot it...
After she left he tried to have her arrested for car theft - the judge threw it out saying he could not keep all three vehicles.
So I can see why this woman would have asked to have him released, maybe praying the judge would see through it & throw him in jail anyways.
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Another reason they stay is the threats of death if they leave. Death to themselves and anyone they care about: parents, siblings, children, friends, coworkers, pets.
70% of women who are murdered by intimate partners are murdered when they try to escape their abusers control.
As to her parents, Nica, I really hate hearing how some people think a piece of paper (marriage certificate) is more important than a woman's well being. I've never seen a marriage law, certificate or wedding ceremony that says, "She agrees to live in danger for the rest of her life." Violence nullifies any promises she's made because he's already broken his vows. Why don't people get that?
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Loretta, our parents were to say the least horrible parents. My mother hated children and once we left the house they didn't want us back. My sister & I both made bad marriages to escape (while mine is not perfect, at least he has never hit me). My parents seemed to think since they were miserable being married than they should make everyone around them miserable. They only got married so they could have sex (good Catholics that they were) and practiced rhythm method BC which produced 6 kids (I was the last) until my mother cut him off completely. So abuse was kind a way of life foe us (mental, emotional). I have gotten passed trying to figure other people out & have settled for telling my children to make themselves happy before adding someone else to their lives. I hope they can find happiness.
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A good relationship requires two emotionally healthy, independent individuals who can weave a healthy interdependence between them without completely surrendering their independence.
Dysfunctional and abusive people can't deal with their partner being independent, so they look for other wounded, incomplete people who are or will become co-dependent.
So sad there is so much misery that is passed along generation after generation this way.
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Nica and Loretta, so true, both. Nica, I'm so sorry you and your sister had those dynamics - I've heard many stories that are nearly the same. Loretta, you've probably seen the following in at least one of my posts: no where in the Bible does it say "Husband gets to beat wife. No where." One of my sisters lives in a situation similar to what Nica described, the money control, the eggshell dance, except for physical violence (he hit her once in 40 some years of marriage). My sister deals with constant emotional, psychological, and then, financial abuse. I can't remember whether it was the time he hit her or one of the times she found out he was cheating on her (I count that as sexual abuse, given the potential danger to health), but she called her mother once (we are half-sisters - same father), who also told her she was married now and she had to deal with it. My parents weren't ever available in my adult life, so I handled things on my own. That one dynamic opens so many women up to abuse in many areas of their lives - no family back-up. And yes, I did divorce my abuser. He never beat me like you described your sister suffering, Nica, but there were violent incidents which he matter-of-factly admitted to a newspaper reporter. No remorse. No conscience. I did it to get my kids away from that imprinting and I was just done with it.
A friend of mine once told me this about divorce. The day you wake up and anything else is better than this, you are ready to get a divorce. That day came.
We need a better support system for women and their children (and some men who suffer this at the hands of their partners) so no one has to tolerate one more day of that stuff. I have said, since 1999 that we shouldn't be warehousing the women and the children in shelters. We should be warehousing the abusers and make them pay the bills on the places their families are still living in. It's also cheaper to house one abuser than the mother and X number of kids. One person told me it was easier to control the women and their children than it was the abusers and that was really why it's set up like it is. That just made me sick.
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The shelters were an outgrowth of the early movement to help abused wives escape their husbands. Many of us took them and their children into our own homes until they could find a permanent place. We would never have taken in the abusers. We didn't even want them to know where we lived.
As the movement progressed, some managed to obtain funding for separate houses to act as shelters. They applied for the funding based on the needs seen in our private homes. Again, the location of the shelters had to remain secret in order to evade the stalkers and violence.
It is a complete tragedy that women and children are forced to give up their entire lives, including family, friends, jobs and schools, in order to escape. When I left my ex, the cops told me to move far away even though he'd only lived in the area for a few years and I'd spent my entire life here. This is another reason why women don't leave their marriage. It means giving up their entire support system and everyone they know, perhaps forever.
It isn't fair, but what other answer exists until the abusers are locked away? As long as the abuser remains free, they will continue to hunt their victims down and attempt to force them back under the abuser's control.
I refused to leave town, but I had to go to extraordinary measures to stay safe. Eventually I forced him to move away via attempted enforcement of child support orders. No one should have to live like that, but it is what happens. Judges like the one in this article simply re-enforce this ugly reality.
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Wow. Did he really just say, "It's okay to threaten or abuse your spouse; as long as you make a really good apology later."?
Domestic violence is never okay. Never.
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Goodmorning my sweet Loretta !
In today's world nothing surprises me anymore. We're going backwards faster than we can shake a stick at our wives. lol Example, who'd a ever thunk we would be rewarding kids with money to not play hooky and go to school. In our quest to abandon the principles of discipline, and consequences for our own actions, the after effects spill into all segments of our society now, including that of Domestic violence, I'm very sorry to say. Hang in there girls, I can't live without ya, so you'll always have my support.
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Damn straight Freedom!
Keep your hands to yourself - go take a walk, go running. No excuse in the world to put your hands on someone.
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Well said, Freedom.
Morning, Mike, good to see you. Have missed you. I can always count on you to step up and speak the truth.
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